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		<title>AUGI Special Election &#8211; Candidates</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>There are four candidates for two positions on the AUGI Board of Directors. The voting page is now open, although it will not go active until voting commences on 29 June. The candidates are (in alphabetical order):</p> Mark Kiker &#8211; Current AUGI President, runs the CADDManager Blog, one of the candidates in the failed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are four candidates for two positions on the AUGI Board of Directors. The <a href="http://www.augi.com/home/elections.asp">voting page</a> is now open, although it will not go active until voting commences on 29 June. The candidates are (in alphabetical order):</p>
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<li><a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=103147">Mark Kiker</a> &#8211; Current AUGI President, runs the <a href="http://www.caddmanager.com/CMB/">CADDManager Blog</a>, one of the candidates in the failed election of 2008. Will remain President until end of 2009, regardless of this election result.</li>
<li><a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=103148">Kenneth Leary</a> &#8211; Prominent contributor on the <a href="http://forums.augi.com/index.php?">AUGI Forums</a> (as <a href="http://forums.augi.com/member.php?u=25392">Augi Doggie</a>), <a href="http://www.augi.com/education/default.asp?page=1200">AUGI Training Program Coordinator</a> and <a href="http://www.augi.com/surveys/survey.asp">AUGI General Survey Manager</a>, runs the <a href="http://autocadpoweruser.blogspot.com/">autocad power user blog</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=103149">Marv Muston</a> &#8211; Former AUGI President (2004)</li>
<li><a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=103146">Dario Passariello</a> &#8211; Educator for Autodesk products, developing a <a href="http://www.ug3d.com/">web site</a> for AUGI Italy, runs <a href="http://www.dariopassariello.it/">his own site</a>.</li>
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<p>I encourage you to read their profiles (click on the names above) and examine the PDFs of their answers to a fixed set of questions.  Also, check out the candidates&#8217; responses in the <a href="http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1117">AUGI Board Candidates Discussion</a> forum.</p>
<p>If you have anything to say about the candidates, their suitability for the position or their responses to <a href="http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1117">questions</a>, feel free to add your comments here. Such discussion is banned on the AUGI forums, but you won&#8217;t find any such censorship here. As long as your comments are not actually libellous, I won&#8217;t be modifying or deleting anything.</p>
<p>In a <a href="http://www.blog.cadnauseam.com/2009/06/23/a-touch-of-tehran-taints-the-augi-special-election/comment-page-1/#comment-3791">comment</a>,  R.K. McSwain raises the spectre of people being banned from the AUGI forums for their comments outside it. Having made one <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_Effect">Streisand Effect</a> error of judgement on this issue already, I wouldn&#8217;t have thought the BoD would be silly enough to immediately repeat that error by getting even more heavy-handed, but you never know. I&#8217;m prepared to wear the risk, but if you&#8217;re worried about it, you don&#8217;t need to use your real name or AUGI forum name here. Even if you did, there&#8217;s no way of the BoD proving that the person using that name here is the same person on the AUGI forums. I won&#8217;t be handing out any identifying information to anyone, so go for it and say what you like.</p>
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		<title>A touch of Tehran taints the AUGI Special Election</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.cadnauseam.com/2009/06/23/a-touch-of-tehran-taints-the-augi-special-election/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Most of you reading this blog are fortunate enough to live in democracies, and can only look on with sympathy at those who are denied the right to choose who represents them. What must it be like to live under regimes where the people are denied basic rights such as a free choice over [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you reading this blog are fortunate enough to live in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy">democracies</a>, and can only look on with sympathy at those who are denied the right to choose who represents them. What must it be like to live under regimes where the people are denied basic rights such as a free choice over who governs them? Or under mock-democratic regimes that hold &#8220;elections&#8221; where the candidates available from which to choose are strictly limited, or where the ruling regime changes the rules of the game to prevent losing its majority, or where the right to comment on the suitability of candidates is removed?</p>
<p>Well, I guess we <a href="http://www.augi.com/">AUGI</a> members now have a slight inkling of what that is like.</p>
<p>OK, so that&#8217;s over the top. At AUGI, there are no riots in the street, no fires, no guns, no dead protesters. No election fraud, either, and I would hope there never is. An AUGI election is infinitely more trivial than what the Iranian people are struggling with. That said, there <em>are</em> clear failings at AUGI on the democratic side of things. These include:</p>
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<li>In recent years, the <a href="http://www.augi.com/about/default.asp?page=12">Board of Directors</a> (BoD) using the Affirmation Ballot style of &#8220;election&#8221; to appoint itself as half of the BoD is replaced each year. In this method, the BoD selects the people it wants on the BoD and allows the members the formality of voting &#8220;Yes&#8221; or &#8220;No&#8221; for each candidate. This has been widely seen as preserving an &#8220;old boys&#8217; club&#8221;, and was practiced right up to the point where it failed at the end of 2008. It failed because members&#8217; interest in this &#8220;electoral&#8221; process had dwindled to the point where a few dozen disgruntled &#8220;No&#8221; voters were enough to ensure that <em>none</em> of the BoD&#8217;s choices were accepted (including some very worthy people who have given a lot to AUGI over the years).</li>
<li>The BoD setting up the replacement election such that it reduces the number of Directors being elected from 4 to 2. This ensures that it is not possible for the members to elect enough Directors to make a difference to how the BoD is run. This was done, despite the fact that it ensures that it will be not possible to run an election at the end of 2009 that meets the requirements of the current <a href="http://www.augi.com/about/default.asp?page=9">bylaws</a>.</li>
<li>The BoD putting tight restrictions on who the members are allowed to vote for. At least 7 members put themselves forward as candidates for the 2 available seats, but only 4 were accepted. The 3 rejected candidates all met the minimum qualifications, and included former Presidents and a highly respected long-term AUGI volunteer who was considered worthy enough to put forward at the end of 2008. Two of the candidates were clearly being punished for expressing views contrary to that of the BoD, but the exclusion of one candidate in particular has everyone baffled. No explanation has been forthcoming to justify these exclusions.</li>
<li>Introducing a <a href="http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1117">special forum</a> to allow members to ask questions of the candidates (which is good), but as part of that process, sneaking in a rule that forbids discussion of the candidates or their answers anywhere on the AUGI forums (which is very, very bad). See <a href="http://forums.augi.com/announcement.php?f=1029">here</a>, rule 6: &#8220;Discussion of specific candidates and their responses in other Forums is prohibited.&#8221;</li>
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<p>There are other failings I could have mentioned, but the electoral censorship issue is what drove me over the edge. Having remained neutral for a long time (including defending the BoD on occasion), I reached the point where I felt that continuing to remain silent about these abuses would be an insult to the AUGI membership. Such a violation of the right to freedom of speech is not to be tolerated, particularly where it amounts to interference with the electoral process. I do not accept this rule, but as a good AUGI citizen I will abide by it within the AUGI forums. I will not, however, be abiding by it <em>here</em>, where the BoD has no censorship rights.</p>
<p>You can look forward to seeing lots more on this subject in the coming days leading up to the opening of the polls on 29 June. If you are an AUGI member, I encourage you to take an active interest in this and future elections. Please read the <a href="http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1025">Organization Feedback forums</a>, the <a href="http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1117">Candidates&#8217; Forums</a>, and above all, vote!</p>
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		<title>Autodesk&#8217;s Revit rebellion reaction</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 04:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time to examine how Autodesk has reacted to the widespread criticism of Revit 2010. Is Autodesk listening? To be more specific, is Autodesk&#8217;s Revit team listening?</p> <p>The Good</p> <p>It has been good to see extensive public participation by Autodesk people in various discussions in different places. The Revit team isn&#8217;t hiding. It is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time to examine how Autodesk has reacted to the <a href="http://www.blog.cadnauseam.com/2009/05/11/revolt-of-the-revit-ribbon-renegades/">widespread criticism of Revit 2010</a>. Is Autodesk listening? To be more specific, is Autodesk&#8217;s Revit team listening?</p>
<p><strong>The Good</strong></p>
<p>It has been good to see extensive public participation by Autodesk people in various discussions in different places. The Revit team isn&#8217;t hiding. It is asking for feedback on the Autodesk discussion groups, the AUGI forums and its own blogs, and getting lots of it. Much of it is negative, but it is to Autodesk&#8217;s credit that I&#8217;m not seeing much in the way of denial, or demands that the criticism must be constructive. I&#8217;ve been trying in vain for years to convince some people at Autodesk that denial is counterproductive and that criticism doesn&#8217;t have to be constructive to be useful.</p>
<p>The sort of messenger-shooting that I&#8217;ve seen some Autodesk people do from time to over the years (*cough* R13, CUI *cough*) is generally absent. I&#8217;m not seeing Adeskers arrogantly accusing users of their criticism being based on a failure to understand the product. I&#8217;m not seeing asinine comments that infer that the negativity is simply a symptom of the critics&#8217; resistance to change. Actually, I&#8217;ve seen one such comment, but it wasn&#8217;t from an Autodesk person.</p>
<p>Overall, the Revit team&#8217;s responsiveness, openness and level of public availability is impressive. It&#8217;s so good that it puts other Autodesk teams to shame. When was the last time you saw an Autodesk person respond to criticism of AutoCAD in the Autodesk discussion groups or AUGI forums? Revit people are doing quite a bit of it, and by looking back I can see that they have been doing it for a while.</p>
<p>There was <a href="http://insidethefactory.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/04/a-message-from-the-autodesk-building-industry-director-about-the-revit-2010-release.html">one attempt</a> at a traditional corporate &#8220;the product is great, we just need to review our communications&#8221; message. Unsurprisingly, it didn&#8217;t work (read the comments). Denial, spin, obfuscation; these things never convince the people who need to be convinced, so why bother? While it&#8217;s good to see a reaction from somebody pretty high up in the chain of command, the people lower down have been doing a much better job of communicating with their customers.</p>
<p><strong>The Bad</strong></p>
<p>The trouble with all this communication is that it&#8217;s a couple of years too late. It&#8217;s no good putting a huge amount of effort into something, introducing it to users, then discovering too late that the users hate it. No amount of communication after the fact can make up for that kind of blunder. Exposing an early design to a handful of people in restricted circumstances can be useful, but it&#8217;s nowhere near enough. Lots of people need to be exposed to a product for a long time (as the Revit team <a href="http://insidethefactory.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/05/contextual-tabs-the-right-tool-at-the-right-time.html">now acknowledges</a> &#8211; see an interesting Autodesk blog post <a href="http://dux.typepad.com/dux/2009/05/usability-over-time-longitudinal-research-studies.html">here</a>). The earlier it&#8217;s done, the better the product will be. As a bonus in these difficult times, this will lower the overall cost of development, because problems get exponentially more expensive to correct as the development cycle progresses.</p>
<p>From the public comments I&#8217;ve read, the Revit Ribbon was presented to beta testers as late as January, and by then it was very much a fait accompli. There was little chance of making it work significantly better, and none whatsoever of removing a bad design from the product before shipping. This scenario is, unfortunately, confined to neither Revit nor this particular instance. Although I can&#8217;t comment on my own Autodesk pre-release experiences, if you have read enough public discussions over the years you will undoubtedly have seen this kind of conversation a few times:</p>
<p>Angry user: &#8220;This feature is useless! The beta testers must have been blind to miss this!&#8221;<br />
Beta tester: &#8220;Actually, we <em>did</em> see it and reported it right away. Autodesk just didn&#8217;t fix it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would like to expand on this, but I am somewhat restricted by NDA. I&#8217;m not complaining about that (it&#8217;s a voluntary agreement), just stating the position I&#8217;m in.</p>
<p>Another thing that belongs in this category is the Revit team&#8217;s apparent disdain for its users&#8217; wishlists. AUGI Revit people are convinced that <a href="http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=859">their wishlists</a> are being ignored, and I can see for myself that Autodesk&#8217;s own <a href="http://discussion.autodesk.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=556220&#038;tstart=0">Revit wishlist discussion group</a> is <a href="http://discussion.autodesk.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=556220&amp;tstart=0">hardly a hive of activity</a>.</p>
<p><strong>The Ugly</strong></p>
<p>Autodesk showed the cloven hoof with its exclusion of <a href="http://architechure.blogspot.com/">Phil</a> <a href="http://aubeat.podbean.com/2008/12/04/phil-read-revit-powertrack-and-much-more/">Read</a> from <a href="http://au.autodesk.com/?nd=au_beat&amp;rss_data_id=935">Autodesk University</a>.* This reflects extremely badly on Autodesk. See <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5214441473520636794&amp;postID=4171677423233801230">here</a>, <a href="http://rcd.typepad.com/rcd/2009/05/phil-the-ribbon-cuts.html">here</a>, <a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=100928">here</a> and <a href="http://do-u-revit.blogspot.com/2009/05/no-ribbon-cutting-at-au2009.html">here</a>. Almost everybody seems to think this crude and futile attempt at censorship was a deplorable move, and I agree. Besides this being an example of messenger-shooting at its worst, it&#8217;s not a good look for the AU event itself. When you pay your AU fees, are you hoping to see the most knowledgeable, enthusiastic, passionate and inspiring speakers available? Or just the ones with opinions that align with Autodesk?<br />
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* My reaction is based on the assumption that this exclusion did take place. It has been widely reported and condemned, but not denied by Autodesk, so I think it&#8217;s a pretty safe bet. The only comment from AU management is,  &#8220;Speakers for AU 2009 will be announced around June 15 &#8211; I cannot comment before.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>AUGI World&#8217;s missing column</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 07:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Despite living in troubled times, AUGI is managing to keep its AUGI World publication going, at least in electronic form. The printed edition, which was previously available only in North America, is no longer with us due to printing costs and/or green intentions. It may or may not not return at some later date.</p> [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite living in troubled times, <a href="http://www.augi.com">AUGI</a> is managing to keep its AUGI World publication going, at least in electronic form. The printed edition, which was previously available only in North America, is no longer with us due to printing costs and/or green intentions. It may or may not not return at some later date.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.augi.com/publications/default.asp?page=63">AUGI World current and past issues</a></p>
<p>I was happy to note that not only is the current copy available in PDF format, but that previous issues have also been made available in that format. The unpopular NXTBook experiment is over, it seems.</p>
<p>Another change you may notice this year is that David Kingsley&#8217;s <em>On The Back Page</em> column is no longer with us. David, a former AUGI Director, is a very vocal critic of the current <a href="http://www.augi.com/about/default.asp?page=12">AUGI Board of Directors</a>. The Board decided that the column he submitted was not deemed suitable for publication. With David&#8217;s permission, here it is.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blog.cadnauseam.com/doc/KingsleyAUGI2009.pdf">Rejected On The Back Page column</a></p>
<p>I should point out that the views expressed in this document are entirely David&#8217;s, and do not necessarily reflect my own. Several of the points he makes are disputed by the Board of Directors. In fact, AUGI President Mark Kiker has responded directly to David&#8217;s points with a PDF of his own. Mark didn&#8217;t want to make that response available to the public, but AUGI members can find it <a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?p=969758#post969758">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>AUGI Board of Directors &#8211; election process starts</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The long-awaited election of members of the 2009 AUGI Board of Directors has finally got under way. Nominations are now open and will be until 24 May 2009. To nominate yourself or others, see this page for details. Various announcements have been made about the timing and format of the election events, see the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The long-awaited election of members of the 2009 AUGI Board of Directors has finally got under way. Nominations are now open and will be until 24 May 2009. To nominate yourself or others, see <a href="http://www.augi.com/about/default.asp?page=1642">this page</a> for details. Various announcements have been made about the timing and format of the election events, see the <a href="http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1026">Announcement forum</a> (AUGI members only) for details. It is likely that two positions will be filled by this election and one by Presidential appointment to replace one Board member who resigned, taking the Board to the 6-member minimum.</p>
<p>I will be covering the background to this election in future posts, but for now I just want to get the word out and encourage people to participate.</p>
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		<title>Revolt of the Revit Ribbon Renegades</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I hesitate to cover this subject because my understanding of Revit is very close to nil. I&#8217;m going to cover it anyway, because it relates to the Does Autodesk Listen? theme that I&#8217;ve discussed here in the past.</p> <p>Revit 2010 has appeared with a Ribbon interface, and many users don&#8217;t like it. Some well-known [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hesitate to cover this subject because my understanding of <a href="http://www.autodesk.com/revit">Revit</a> is very close to nil. I&#8217;m going to cover it anyway, because it relates to the <a href="http://www.blog.cadnauseam.com/?s=listening">Does Autodesk Listen?</a> theme that I&#8217;ve discussed here in the past.</p>
<p>Revit 2010 has appeared with a Ribbon interface, and many users don&#8217;t like it. Some well-known Revit users, including bloggers, former Autodesk employees and Revit founders, have railed against the new release. Autodesk has been accused of ignoring long-standing wishlists and pre-release feedback. Autodesk has (it is said) wasted precious development resources by introducing a badly-designed and poorly-performing pretty new face at the expense of solving long-standing and much-requested improvements to the core product. The main complaint appears to be that Autodesk didn&#8217;t do much with this release, other than introducing an interface that doesn&#8217;t work as well as the one it replaced.</p>
<p>All this will sound very familiar to AutoCAD users, but there are some significant differences between the AutoCAD 2009 situation and the Revit 2010 one. First, I think it&#8217;s fair to say (even based on my limited knowledge) that the old Revit interface <em>was</em> in some need of attention. It was basically an <a href="http://www.revitzone.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=377&#038;Itemid=41">old NT-style interface</a> that had been left neglected for some years. Revit users may have been mostly happy with the way the interface <em>worked</em>, but the way it <em>looked</em> must have been a bit embarrasing, especially for Autodesk. Second, AutoCAD 2009 left the old interface in place for those people who wanted or needed to use it; with Revit 2010 it&#8217;s Ribbon or nothing. There is no transition strategy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not qualified to make a judgement on whether the complaints about the usability of the new interface are justified. I should also mention that not every Revit user hates everything about Revit 2010, and there are positive comments from some about the new interface. However, I can say that the anti-Ribbon arguments have been expressed not only passionately, but also intelligently and persuasively. It&#8217;s not so much a matter of &#8220;change is bad&#8221;, but more &#8220;<em>this</em> change is bad, and here&#8217;s why&#8221;. Here are some examples:</p>
<p><a href="http://architechure.blogspot.com/2009/03/one-more-thing.html">One More Thing&#8230;</a><br />
<a href="http://architechure.blogspot.com/2009/03/one-more-one-more-thing.html">One More One More Thing&#8230;</a><br />
<a href="http://architechure.blogspot.com/2009/03/well-intentioned-road-paving.html">A Well-Intentioned Road Paving</a><br />
<a href="http://architechure.blogspot.com/2009/03/dont-confuse-change-with-progress.html">Don&#8217;t Confuse Change with Progress</a><br />
<a href="http://architechure.blogspot.com/2009/04/autodesk-bob.html">Autodesk Bob</a><br />
<a href="http://architechure.blogspot.com/2009/04/humpty-dumpty-sat-on-a-wall.html">Humpty Dumpty Sat On a A Wall&#8230;</a><br />
<a href="http://architechure.blogspot.com/2009/04/dear-autodesk.html">Dear Autodesk</a><br />
<a href="http://redbolts.com/blog/post/2009/05/07/Revit-2011-the-most-significant-release-EVER.aspx">Revit 2011 &#8211; the most significant release EVER</a></p>
<p>Some of the threads from the AUGI <a href="http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11">Revit &#8211; Out There</a> forum (requires free AUGI membership sign-up to view):</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=92112">Revit 2010 &#8211; New Ribbon UI</a><br />
<a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=99307">1st impression from Revit 2010&#8230;</a><br />
<a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=99789">What is your official opinion of 2010?</a><br />
<a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=99790">Who do we complain to?</a><br />
<a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=100244">2009 vs. 2010</a><br />
<a href="http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=100958">Revit evangelist fatigue</a></p>
<p>Finally, <a href="http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-03-21/">here&#8217;s a Dilbert cartoon</a> that was somebody else thought was a relevant comment on this situation.</p>
<p>In a future post, I&#8217;ll discuss how Autodesk&#8217;s Revit people have reacted to this criticism. Is Autodesk listening? Is it issuing corporate feelgood drivel? Is it circling the wagons and shooting the messengers as they ride by? Or is it doing all of the above?</p>
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		<title>Autodesk discussion group alternatives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;m typing this, the Autodesk discussion groups are down for maintenance again. Let&#8217;s hope that when they come back up, some of the problems are fixed.</p> <p>In the meantime, if you&#8217;re an AutoCAD user and have something to ask or say, where can you go? Here are a few suggestions.</p> I like the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;m typing this, the Autodesk discussion groups are down for maintenance again. Let&#8217;s hope that when they come back up, some of the problems are fixed.</p>
<p>In the meantime, if you&#8217;re an AutoCAD user and  have something to ask or say, where can you go? Here are a few suggestions.</p>
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<li>I like the <a href="http://forums.augi.com/index.php?">AUGI forums</a>. It&#8217;s an even more modern, more graphical and less space-efficient web interface than the new Autodesk one, but there&#8217;s a good community there and, hey, the search feature works. Mike Perry and colleagues run a tight ship, so please read the rules and be good.</li>
<li>If you have something to tell Autodesk and want practically no restrictions in the way you say it,  submit a new message on <a href="http://www.dearautodesk.com/">dear Autodesk</a>, or vote for the existing messages you like. It&#8217;s looking a bit bare and empty at the moment, so go fill it up.</li>
<li>As a Cadalyst person, it would be remiss of me to avoid mentioning the <a href="http://forums.cadalyst.com/">Cadalyst forums</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.theswamp.org/">The Swamp</a> is biased heavily toward CAD programming, so if you have a LISP question then head there, but it also hosts general CAD discussion. In this community, you are expected to be courteous and professional.</li>
<li>Old-timers like myself will remember that the CompuServe ACAD forum&#8217;s Take 5 section was carried over into the AutoCAD discussion groups. It was kept going for a few years before Autodesk felt it was getting out of hand and killed it. That community refused to be killed, and actually still flourishes for newsgroup (NNTP) users at the t5 dot dynip dot com server.</li>
<li><a href="http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com">R. K. McSwain</a> suggests the <a href="http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/">CADTutor forums</a>.</li>
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<p>If you wish to point out any other sites I&#8217;ve missed, please let me know and if they&#8217;re relevant I&#8217;ll edit this post to include them.</p>
<p>While I was typing this, the Autodesk discussion groups came back up, but who knows how long that&#8217;s going to last?</p>
<p>Also while typing this I also received a phone call from a helpful Indian gentleman at Subscription Support (which was working fine as of yesterday). He asked for details about the broken search (it doesn&#8217;t find anything posted prior to the update), confirmed that it&#8217;s broken, and promised to inform the relevant department. That&#8217;s a <em>much</em> better response than the email I mentioned in my <a href="http://www.blog.cadnauseam.com/2008/09/24/more-autodesk-discussion-group-angst/">last post</a>.</p>
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